Why does God allow suffering, especially for good and innocent people who are trying to live faithfully? Many men assume suffering means something has gone wrong: a lack of faith, a mistake, or even abandonment by God. In this episode, John Heinen and Devin Schadt confront that assumption directly. Drawing from our own personal suffering they challenge the modern instinct to avoid pain at all costs and instead ask a more honest question: what if suffering is not evidence of God’s absence, but of His love and formation? The conversation moves beyond theory into the real struggles men face in marriage, fatherhood, prayer, and responsibility. John and Devin explore why men resist suffering, how pride and presumption distort our response to it, and what suffering actually produces when it is accepted rather than numbed or escaped. They also discuss why learning to suffer well is essential to becoming a strong, faithful Catholic man.

Why does God allow suffering, especially for good and innocent people who are trying to live faithfully? Many men assume suffering means something has gone wrong: a lack of faith, a mistake, or even abandonment by God. In this episode, John Heinen and Devin Schadt confront that assumption directly. Drawing from our own personal suffering they challenge the modern instinct to avoid pain at all costs and instead ask a more honest question: what if suffering is not evidence of God’s absence, but of His love and formation? The conversation moves beyond theory into the real struggles men face in marriage, fatherhood, prayer, and responsibility. John and Devin explore why men resist suffering, how pride and presumption distort our response to it, and what suffering actually produces when it is accepted rather than numbed or escaped. They also discuss why learning to suffer well is essential to becoming a strong, faithful Catholic man.